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	<title>Comments on: From Mexico to Palestine: Carbon offsets</title>
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		<title>By: jimmy44</title>
		<link>http://tracybarnettonline.com/blog/2010/01/10/from-mexico-to-palestine-carbon-offsets/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t pay for carbon offsets. You can get all you want for free:

http://www.freecarbonoffsets.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t pay for carbon offsets. You can get all you want for free:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freecarbonoffsets.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.freecarbonoffsets.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pramukh</title>
		<link>http://tracybarnettonline.com/blog/2010/01/10/from-mexico-to-palestine-carbon-offsets/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Pramukh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that was interesting.... i&#039;m new blogger with variety of travel experiences in India please do link my blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was interesting&#8230;. i&#8217;m new blogger with variety of travel experiences in India please do link my blog</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Haim</title>
		<link>http://tracybarnettonline.com/blog/2010/01/10/from-mexico-to-palestine-carbon-offsets/comment-page-1/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Haim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion of carbon offsets is quite timely. I&#039;ve read through and followed your logic, and it seems to me that you are making an appropriate choice.

This said, I still question offsets, especially when they are used not simply for individuals to offset their impacts, but by large corporate polluters seeking to avoid having to reduce their emissions.

The issue is complicated, to be sure, but it seems that many of the projects that are being included as eligible for offsets either aren&#039;t really reducing emissions (and in some cases actually increase them), or would have been done anyway (or really need to be done anyway) and thus don&#039;t take the place of real reductions in the CO2 output of industrialized economies.

If we end up with a cap and trade system--an idea I&#039;m not sold on--how we deal with offsets will be a key variable in determining whether or not the system actually meets its goals. From the various experts I&#039;ve been following, I come away pretty well convinced that the more offsets you allow into the system, the less likely you&#039;ll get the results you&#039;re looking for. There&#039;s a pretty good discussion on this, as well as cap and trade in general at:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/15/cap_trade_a_critical_look_at

One other concern is that when you calculate the value of an offset--not its monetary value, but rather its carbon-reducing value--you have to do some kind of life cycle analysis. If the project you are using to offset your travel, for instance, is planting trees, you have to look at how much CO2 the trees will sequester over their lifetimes, a matter of decades. The problem is that the CO2 emissions you are aiming to offset are taking place NOW, in January 2010. But the sequestration won&#039;t even start in any serious fashion for a few years, until the trees get big enough to really start putting some carbon away, and the full impact won&#039;t be felt for decades. And, as you note, there is always the question:  wouldn&#039;t these trees have been planted anyway, or something similar done on that land that would capture carbon, sometime over the coming years?

So for me, while I support your decision, Tracy, I would hate for folks to extrapolate and come to the conclusion that carbon offsets make for good public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion of carbon offsets is quite timely. I&#8217;ve read through and followed your logic, and it seems to me that you are making an appropriate choice.</p>
<p>This said, I still question offsets, especially when they are used not simply for individuals to offset their impacts, but by large corporate polluters seeking to avoid having to reduce their emissions.</p>
<p>The issue is complicated, to be sure, but it seems that many of the projects that are being included as eligible for offsets either aren&#8217;t really reducing emissions (and in some cases actually increase them), or would have been done anyway (or really need to be done anyway) and thus don&#8217;t take the place of real reductions in the CO2 output of industrialized economies.</p>
<p>If we end up with a cap and trade system&#8211;an idea I&#8217;m not sold on&#8211;how we deal with offsets will be a key variable in determining whether or not the system actually meets its goals. From the various experts I&#8217;ve been following, I come away pretty well convinced that the more offsets you allow into the system, the less likely you&#8217;ll get the results you&#8217;re looking for. There&#8217;s a pretty good discussion on this, as well as cap and trade in general at:<br />
<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/15/cap_trade_a_critical_look_at" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/15/cap_trade_a_critical_look_at</a></p>
<p>One other concern is that when you calculate the value of an offset&#8211;not its monetary value, but rather its carbon-reducing value&#8211;you have to do some kind of life cycle analysis. If the project you are using to offset your travel, for instance, is planting trees, you have to look at how much CO2 the trees will sequester over their lifetimes, a matter of decades. The problem is that the CO2 emissions you are aiming to offset are taking place NOW, in January 2010. But the sequestration won&#8217;t even start in any serious fashion for a few years, until the trees get big enough to really start putting some carbon away, and the full impact won&#8217;t be felt for decades. And, as you note, there is always the question:  wouldn&#8217;t these trees have been planted anyway, or something similar done on that land that would capture carbon, sometime over the coming years?</p>
<p>So for me, while I support your decision, Tracy, I would hate for folks to extrapolate and come to the conclusion that carbon offsets make for good public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://tracybarnettonline.com/blog/2010/01/10/from-mexico-to-palestine-carbon-offsets/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovelock is right about many things, of course - and I have great esteem for him but I think people can use common sense and a multifaceted approach. Carbon offsets can be one of those approaches; conservation can and must be, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovelock is right about many things, of course &#8211; and I have great esteem for him but I think people can use common sense and a multifaceted approach. Carbon offsets can be one of those approaches; conservation can and must be, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Lile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Lile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t seriously question carbon offsets until reading that none other than Mr. Gaia Hypothesis himself James Lovelock began questioning them.  Since, I want to know a lot about what the offset is for and how it is audited.  The utility program I am participating in, http://www.ameren.com/PurePower/ is third-party audited to make sure that only one customer is credited with wind power watts.  I believe there are probably well-intentioned programs that don&#039;t accomplish much, or are not rigorously audited.  I think it is a good idea to understand what you are giving money to, and realize that it does not, in fact, give you a medieval pardon for polluting the planet, but does promote something in the world that is positive.  That being said, I&#039;m continuing to participate in my utility program, and preserving and growing trees on my own land, and other such measures too many to mention.  

Of course there is the class issue.  If you have enough money to even consider a carbon offset, you are in a certain economic class.  Many people in the world cannot even consider such a measure, can barely pay for what power/travel/or fossil fuel heat they get now.  Nor can a struggling small business person in tough times consider them, even if they do live well.  

Lovelock says we&#039;ve changed the planet in irrevocable ways - from development to overfishing to carbon, and it is forever changed.  We are faced with learning how to adapt, and bring the biosphere along with us in that adaptation.  We can&#039;t put it back like it was.  The hopeful news is, we are just beginning to be aware of what we must do to make this adaptation as a species and as a planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t seriously question carbon offsets until reading that none other than Mr. Gaia Hypothesis himself James Lovelock began questioning them.  Since, I want to know a lot about what the offset is for and how it is audited.  The utility program I am participating in, <a href="http://www.ameren.com/PurePower/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ameren.com/PurePower/</a> is third-party audited to make sure that only one customer is credited with wind power watts.  I believe there are probably well-intentioned programs that don&#8217;t accomplish much, or are not rigorously audited.  I think it is a good idea to understand what you are giving money to, and realize that it does not, in fact, give you a medieval pardon for polluting the planet, but does promote something in the world that is positive.  That being said, I&#8217;m continuing to participate in my utility program, and preserving and growing trees on my own land, and other such measures too many to mention.  </p>
<p>Of course there is the class issue.  If you have enough money to even consider a carbon offset, you are in a certain economic class.  Many people in the world cannot even consider such a measure, can barely pay for what power/travel/or fossil fuel heat they get now.  Nor can a struggling small business person in tough times consider them, even if they do live well.  </p>
<p>Lovelock says we&#8217;ve changed the planet in irrevocable ways &#8211; from development to overfishing to carbon, and it is forever changed.  We are faced with learning how to adapt, and bring the biosphere along with us in that adaptation.  We can&#8217;t put it back like it was.  The hopeful news is, we are just beginning to be aware of what we must do to make this adaptation as a species and as a planet.</p>
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